On this edition of our show, we listen back to an interview from 2018 about a book called "Nomadland: Surviving America in the Twenty-First Century." This book is the basis for a forthcoming feature-film starring Frances McDormand. Our guest is the author of the book, Jessica Bruder. As was noted of "Nomadland" in a starred review in Booklist: "What photographer Jacob Riis did for the tenement poor in 'How the Other Half Lives' (1890) and what novelist Upton Sinclair did for stockyard workers in 'The Jungle' (1906), journalist Bruder now does for a segment of today's older Americans forced to eke out a living as migrant workers.... [A] powerhouse of a book.... In the best immersive-journalism tradition, Bruder records her misadventures driving and living in a van.... Visceral and haunting reporting."