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"The Great Divide: The Conflict between Washington and Jefferson that Defined a Nation"

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Aired on Thursday, June 18th.

On this installment of ST, we speak by phone with Thomas Fleming, a prolific historian and historical novelist who has contributed articles to American Heritage, MHQ: The Quarterly Journal of Military History, and other magazines -- and who has written more than 50 books. Fleming tells us about his newest work, "The Great Divide: The Conflict between Washington and Jefferson that Defined a Nation." As was noted of this volume in a starred review in Booklist: "Fleming looks beyond the standard history of the founding and early years of the nation to detail the contrasts in the backgrounds and personalities of [both Washington and Jefferson].... [He offers] a fascinating look at American history from the perspective of personal relationships and political ideals." And further, from Kirkus Reviews: "Fleming delivers a vivid, opinionated history of this conflict.... Among historians, Jefferson's star has been falling for 50 years. Fleming's frank hostility puts him at the far end of the scale, but [the author] makes a fascinating case that Jefferson's charisma -- which peaked early with the Declaration of Independence -- was accompanied by fanciful political beliefs that continue to exert a malign influence on the office of the presidency."

Rich Fisher passed through KWGS about thirty years ago, and just never left. Today, he is the general manager of Public Radio Tulsa, and the host of KWGS’s public affairs program, StudioTulsa, which celebrated its twentieth anniversary in August 2012 . As host of StudioTulsa, Rich has conducted roughly four thousand long-form interviews with local, national, and international figures in the arts, humanities, sciences, and government. Very few interviews have gone smoothly. Despite this, he has been honored for his work by several organizations including the Governor's Arts Award for Media by the State Arts Council, a Harwelden Award from the Arts & Humanities Council of Tulsa, and was named one of the “99 Great Things About Oklahoma” in 2000 by Oklahoma Today magazine.
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